The murder of Dan Markel

Why aren’t we discussing this fascinating case? Harvard Lawyer shot and killed in driveway by hit men hired by periodontist ex brother in law (just found guilty), and just arrested mother in law, and potentially his ex wife (also a lawyer).

Do we think Wendi Adelson will be charged?

Didn't 20/20 wrap up this case last week? Nothing more to discuss.

Since 20/20 episode aired, the mother in law, Donna Adelson, has been arrested as she was about to flee the country with her dentist husband. Plenty of speculation online re Wendi Adelson’s involvement. Sentencing is next month for Donna’s son, Charlie Adelson. Plenty more to discuss, [R1]/aka Wendi Adelson.

I don't think Wendi will be charged. I really feel sorry for Wendi and Dan's sons.

Just came here to see if there were any posts. This is the Florida version of the Murdaughs and I’m surprised Harvey hasn’t been arrested, as well.

A new but extremely short book due out soon:

“Successful examples of hiring a hitman to commit murder”

R5

Right? I know this happened years ago but do people not know about security cameras? Phone and toll data? We are tracked in every way now - criminals are so stupid and greedy.

I've been watching the various witnesses and it's really quite interesting. Here's the girlfriend.

If there was a scripted limited series on this case, I would cast Patricia Clarkson as Donna Adelson.

If Wendi was involved, would she have so willingly volunteered her brother’s “joke” about hiring a hit man to kill Dan?

Donna would have gotten away if she could have just kept her fat yap off the phone. She deserves the death penalty for stupidity alone.

Wendi's biggest humiliation, thus far, is that the whole world knows she dated that skeevy Jeffrey Lacasse.

This is an excellent analysis of Wendi’s incriminating behavior:

Tallahassee will look a lot better than Wendi’s lifetime prison cell.

We can’t discuss this until we have closed the Dallas A Gay case, the Atlanta Lesbian and Dog, and the Detroit Doctor cases.

Any updates on the Atlanta lesbian/dog/park murder?

[quote]We can’t discuss this until we have closed the Dallas A Gay case, the Atlanta Lesbian and Dog, and the Detroit Doctor cases.

We're still working on Lizzie Borden.

R11: "Wendi's biggest humiliation, thus far, is that the whole world knows she dated that skeevy Jeffrey Lacasse."

I'd say that trying to frame Jeffrey Lacasse for murder is a tad more "skeevy" than Lacasse himself.

Is Lacasse "skeevy" because he never reported the talk of a hit on Dan? Or some other reason?

I signed up at DL days after the event , to hopefully find out what happened to poor Charles Augustus , known to his close friends as the Eaglet.

And so far nothing. I have been waiting longer

[quote] We can’t discuss this until we have closed the Dallas A Gay case, the Atlanta Lesbian and Dog, and the Detroit Doctor cases.

I have the feeling the Detroit doctor isn't going to be solved due to the cops possibly fucking up the investigation.

Will Detroit solve the Samantha Woll murder?

R21 I think the Samantha Woll case has a slightly better chance of being solved than the Devon Hoover case.

Amazing that such so-called smart people could get involved in this. I guess entitlement can trump all else.

R11 Is there something I don't know about him? He came across like a good guy to me on the stand.

I remember watching a few true crime documentaries about the murder before anyone was arrested. Now the whole Adelson family might go down. I can't imagine what will happen to the boys - will they end up in the custody of the paternal grandparents? They've spent most of their lives hearing the Markel name smeared. I feel like this is ultimately about Donna - the pathology of the family as a whole seems to be rooted with her.

R10 Possibly to throw him under the bus if she had to. She was setting up "Someone did this on my behalf without consulting me". Either that or she isn't that calm under pressure and couldn't help but make references to the things that are dominating her internal thoughts. That's difficult to resist I think.

Yes, R26, she was planting seeds all over the place, telling Lacasse that her brother joked about killing Dan, telling friends that she dumped Lacasse "and omigod he hates Dan so much, hope nothing bad happens!!!" There is no way she was not a part of this, right from the start. I can't wait to see her arrested.

And yet... I have to agree with R25 that if not for Donna, probably none of this would have happened. She is absolutely evil and absolutely relentless. Imagine being raised by such parents!

R27 if the state presses charges she's cooked. Her fake baby voice, fake indignance, and blinking stare are so ridiculous and transparent. jury is going to hate her.

R28

Reading your comment, it finally dawned on me that she reminds me of Elizabeth Holmes.

Especially, R28, a jury from Leon County, where Wendi’s much-hated Tallahassee is in.

I've always thought Sigfredo was really hot.

I’ve thought the exact same thing, NoPalmOil - Elizabeth Holmes 100%.

Someone pointed out that she intentionally dressed identically when testified at the 2 trials.

Wow, I'm just now catching up with this case.

I did not realize that Katherine Magbanua, the girlfriend of dentist Charlie Adelson, got convicted and sentenced to life in prison. She's the one who introduced Charlie to the two hit men. IIRC, she refused to say anything to incriminate Charlie. She now probably wishes she had cut a deal years ago and testified against dentist Charlie. What a dummy. She had a baby face, was a young attractive female, and could probably be out of prison by now.

I'm not familiar with Jeffrey Lacasse. Why is he skeevy? I Googled him and he's a professor at Florida State University.

Magbanua was offered total immunity if she had spilled the beans on Charlie, so yeah she seems like a dummy. My comment about Jeffrey Lacasse being skeevy goes back to the way he came in at Katherine's first trial. He carried a little "man purse" and seemed, to me, as if he enjoyed being there a little too much. There were comments about how he and Wendi didn't seem to be a match in any way. I was mostly joking about Wendi being embarrassed, didn't mean for it to become a thing.

I think Georgia Cappelman doesn't intend to stop until Wendi is behind bars, and to that I say: Good for her. Wendi Adelson is as guilty as sin of conspiring to have her ex husband murdered.

I didn't know she was offered immunity. IIRC, she sold out the two hit men. She might as well have sold out the dentist, at the same time.

Admit it, Sigfredo would make a great centerfold.

I think it's the green eyes that are making mama's mussy at R37 moist.

If Sigfredo had a thicker mustache he would look like a '70s porn star.

Is there anyway KB could get her sentence reduced if she shared incriminating evidence on Wendi? Did she protect the dentist because she was afraid of him? Did she love him? Did he love her? We’re the Adelsons just using KB?

Any guesses when Wendi will be arrested?

I think Charlie was financing Katie's lifestyle and probably threatened her or her kids in some way.

R40 I think that he would have taken care of her in prison for taking the fall somehow.

I don't understand this crime.

Good article about the Adelsons' finances.

[quote] I don't understand this crime.

Wendi wanted out of Tallahassee; her family wanted her & the grandsons closer to Miami. A living Dan was the obstacle.

A dead Dan makes these kid orphans with Mom in the clink and Dad dead.

Grandma conspired to kill her former son in law because could not bear to not be near her grandkids but she was arrested while trying to flee the continent? Tallahassee is closer to Miami than Vietnam.

[quote] Tallahassee is closer to Miami than Vietnam.

But Vietnam is better than a Tallahassee lifetime prison cell.

R43 narcissistic family melts down during custody dispute - the father/victim Dan markel won’t budge on letting Wendi (ex-wife) move the kids south to Miami. The divorce/custody proceedings are brutal and eventually cause Dan to threaten reporting Wendi to the bar. When bribing Dan with a million dollars doesn’t work and now fearing serious damage to Wendi’s career as an attorney, maternal grandma and narcissistic matriarch Donna becomes completely enraged. the Adelson family is very enmeshed and Donna conducts the war against Dan instructing Wendi via email. One thing they wanted to do despite being Jewish and excommunicating one son for not marrying a Jew was to convert the kids to Catholicism JUST to hurt Dan, because he was more religious than they were. She said in emails that dressing them up as nazis would even be worth it just to hurt Dan. When the courts kept taking his side time and time again - the entire Adelson family minus the excommunicated sibling conspired to have him killed. The goal - move the kids to Miami and assume total control and influence over their lives/save Wendi’s career.

Can’t wait to see Georgia Cappleman again, I don’t think I’ve ever been so impressed with a prosecutor. Wonder how long it’ll take for Donna to get to trial?

But the horrid daughter/wife/mom of the boys is not charged at all? Or did I miss something?

No, Wendi hasn't been charged with anything.

The estranged family member must be living off his schadenfreude.

I trust the authorities are monitoring Wendi’s travel plans.

R51 It's a long process taking down the Adelson clan. First it was the hitmen that were caught - two latin kings, one of whom is the baby daddy of Katie Magbanuwua (I'm not going to look up the spelling). Katie is the ex girlfriend/bimbo fuckpiece of Charlie Adelson, the very skeevy brother of Wendi. There's a channel that posts all the wiretaps that were made public from the surveillance of the Adelson and he is always on the phone with his douche Miami bros bragging about escorts, cars, pussy, etc. He's also a southeast asia sex tourist and therefore probably a pedo. Katie became the middleman between the latin kings and the adelsons. Through Charlie, she received payments, including fradulent checks signed by Donna Adelson from the family dentristry business. Some of the evidence against Charlie Adelson in the recent trial included his discussions with Katie about covering up the payments, he's like "well, I guess we can say you clean the office". Another highlight of the wiretaps is Katie screaming at her lovely mother because she won't spend any time with her kids and is running around getting tit implants and taking vacations with murder money while grandma raises them. They're all complete scum.

I think the hitmen were arrested in 2014, Katie in 2016, and Charlie in 2022. I didn't really follow the 2014/2016 stuff. They got Charlie (and now Donna) by sending an undercover cop pretending to be a latin king to Donna, He bumped into her and handed her an article about the Dan Markel murder with a note saying that the Adelsons are failing to take care of the second hitman (the one not personally connected to Katie) and asking for $5000. This set off a series of communications between Katie and the Adelsons. The bump happened in 2016 and gave them enough to arrest Katie immediately. I'm assuming she did not roll on the Adelsons initially thinking they would take care of her or something. That changed when Charlie was arrested. The reason he was arrested 6 years after the bump is because it took that long for audio technology to be able to clean up some of the noise on a particular recording to be able to decipher what he was saying. Charlie's defense was ludicrous - he claimed that the latin kings killed Dan Markel of their own free will, a person who the Adelsons despised and wanted dead, in order to intimidate and extort the Adelsons. So his theory of defense is that they drove to Tallahassee and murdered Dan Markel without robbing him, on the off chance that Katie would be willing to set up a blackmail plot against the Adelsons right after that. So they murder Dan and then send Katie to Charlie demanding that he pay them 300 something thousand dollars over the course of a few years on a payment plan without ever speaking to him or meeting him because their murder of Dan proves that they're willing to kill and is a way of making the Adelsons take the threats against them seriously. After being extorted by Katie and her gangster associates, Charlie continues dating and fucking her and fails to inform his family about anything that is going on even though many of the checks are in his moms name and it's due to the "bump" into his mom that everyone got arrested anyway.

^That some enterprising hit men!

Thanks r55. So the Wendi person has, allegedly, not been involved?

R57 She is named as a co-conspirator and an indictment is expected. She has immunity regarding only her testimony in the trial of Charlie, but that immunity can be revoked if it is proved she committed perjury which is basically a foregone conclusion that they will at least prosecute her for perjury. Charlie and Donna took great care not to mention Wendi in any way. There is a video further back with the 100+ indicators of her guilt. It would be very shocking if she was not indicted for perjury and somewhat surprising if not for at least murder conspiracy. Even the father Harvey who is the least involved from the public evidence is likely going to be indicted - maybe for assisting a fugitive but for something. They're going after the Adelsons like a mob family and Wendi is the biggest prize so she will be last.

R57, please see R12’s link.

R58 in fact the prosecutor even taunted her about it asking about arrangements for the kids should she be arrested later on. The prosecutor in this case is awesome, she reminds me so much of Jodi Foster actually. She has this sardonic attitude that at first didn't really click with me but over the course of the trial really was effective at making the Adelsons look SO ridiculous and childlike in their lying.

r61 wow that wife comes across as sociopathic

R62 Here's a great breakdown from a highly credible Harvard lawyer, this lady has a great channel. Regarding the possibility of an upcoming indictment for Wendi.

Also, R62, she arranged a relationship with an unsuspecting “boyfriend” in order to set him up as the killer.

But I want to hear about Sigfredo! Is he lonely in prison? Could he use a loving bunkmate?

Katherine Magbanua is seeking penpals. Does have access to e-mail.

^ Hopefully, we’ll see Katie in an upcoming season of Love During Lockup.

Guess who gets to play Charlie's attorney in the movie.

Thanks ! DL sleuths are the best

Questions that keep me up at night:

Does anyone have insight as to why Wendi keeps her mouth open during most of the questioning? Is it to hide deep breathing or to remind her to remain unemotional?

Is Wendi wearing extensions?

I’m expecting Donna to take her life while in jail. She discussed suicide as an option before being arrested.

Do we know who all Wendi dated after her divorce from Dan? Have these men been interviewed? Have we heard from any character witnesses commenting on Wendi? In the courtroom or media? I’d expect she knew a lot of people and those people would have strong opinions of her.

Why did Wendi frequently talk about her brother’s joke about hiring a hitman? And why share it with police when first learning about Dan’s murder? She also mentioned it to the TV repair man and her ex boyfriend. You’d think she wouldn’t want to draw attention to her brother saying that when her ex husband had just been murdered.

What relationship does the doctor son have with the rest of the family?

Right. killing your ex will totally raise your professional standing?!

these are educated and accomplished people who lived in a bubble that needed to be popped.

No. Killing your ex husband is not a good idea. No, hiring a hit-man to off your brother in law will not solve a custody dispute.

Which fashion house will design Wendi's next perjury dress?

The mother of the dentist and Wendi has got to be the family kingpin.

What brother cares that much about his sister's child custody battle? The mom was moving all of the chess pieces.

What a stupid fool Charlie was...getting involved in this harebrained scheme, and for what? To please Mama? To help his selfish sister, who immediately cast suspicion on him when cops started asking questions? To cast himself as some kind of macho tough guy who could hire a hit man? And get away with it unscathed? He was a goofy looking Jewish periodontist who drove a Ferrari with a license plate that read MAESTRO.

Now that he serving life without parole in some Florida shithole of a prison he will have plenty of time to ask himself whether it was worth it or not. Especially if that twat Wendi walks (which I don't think will happen...) Meanwhile, mom Donna's goose is cooked. She's all over those taped phone calls, not to mention "The Bump" - where she actually calls the guy back!! Donna is 72, and she very well may get the same sentence as her son.

But I agree Wendi is the one who really needs to go down. None of this shit would have happened if not for her whining. She makes a very bad witness too, with that incessant blinking and thinly veiled sarcasm. The jury is going to hate her guts.

I love Court TV, and they have some really good trials coming up - Utah mom Kouri Richards, who served her cute husband a fentanyl laced Moscow Mule - and then wrote a children's book about coping with grief!! Then there's Courtney Clenny, trashy Florida Only Fans model, who stabbed her muscular black lover during their turbulent relationship. And finally there is Boston's Karen Read, who is accused to running over her cop boyfriend John O'Keefe, and leaving him to freeze to death in a huge snowstorm - in front of a house full of cops having a late night party.

Donna, Donna the Prima Donna was on an '89 episode of Wheel of Fortune. Game shows, the breeding ground of murderers.

20/20 showed a brief clip of Wendi on The Weakest Link.

Was Sigfredo ever on Naked and Afraid?

[QUOTE]the entire Adelson family minus the excommunicated sibling conspired to have him killed.

Does anyone know anything about him? Did he ever attend Charlie's trial or did he have sufficient with the family? I was thinking that if Wendi goes to jail, he may ind up looking after the kids. Dan's parents are quite old and don't look the picture of health.

Ditto R53's comment. There must be a lot of sadness, too, knowing that you were rejected by the family for being in love then finding out the hypocritical sociopathic, hateful extremes the family indulged in. What shitty people to share genes with.

His name is Robert, and he is married to an Indian woman who is a doctor.

He is a doctor as well, and lives in Albany. The last contact he had with the family was when he attended the father's 70th birthday party (the so called "celebration dinner") and began to suspect that they had a hand in Dan's murder.

R78, Dan & Wendi’s sons are now 14 & 15, so they’re no longer youngsters.

R70 Either because she's willing to throw the rest of the family under the bus or because she was in a panic. I think she did it impulsively due to stress, she just had to mention in some way or another the stuff that was on her mind.

14 and 15 and without a family. Mom had dad murdered and used grandma and uncle to get it done.

Thank you, r79, r80. They'll still need a guardian unless they decide to emancipate themselves, r81.

Right, R84. I was just trying to point out that - thanks, ironically, to delayed justice - they won’t be orphaned toddlers.

She did it because she was a spoiled brat who believed her family was there to take a fall for her. Duh. Typical millennial.

Dan has a sister, Shelly, who is ready to help with the boys should it come to that.

If Wendi gets arrested, I think she will ask/possibly beg the estranged brother Robert to take her kids in hopes they can be kept away from the Markel parents and Dan's sister.

Talk about a bubble. The last few comments about this crime are out there

How much input would the sons, at their ages, have in where they live? A placement in the home of either of their parents’s siblings - neither of whom they really know - would require them to relocate.

This is a good article on Dan's mother from last year. I'm interested in reading her book.

Dan's mother reminds me of Steven Cojocaru.

R89 The comments here? In what way?

LGBT people enjoy discussing it. Duh!

Have you not seen Sigfredo, R95?!

r95 Thanks for keeping this thread going.

When I see the 'about datalounge' I see that it's a gossip site. I also see "This site contains all kinds of pointless shit posted by very peculiar people."

Which part confuses you? Do you normally bump threads in which you have no interest? That's interesting.

Anything to the Duchess of Success?

Ahhh Sigfredo….you just wish he plunged his victorious sword into you.

"And how is this LGBT?"

A maniacal, murderous mom worthy of a portrayal by Meredith Baxter and you ask why Dataloungers are interested? Really?

How is Jackie on Assistance LGBT?!

Ok R101, I rest my case. I would prefer Kathleen Turner though for the biopic.

R103, as I began writing my post I was thinking "Baxter or Turner?", LOL.

Jacky on assistance is LGBT, R102, because she looked fabulous in a pink Chanel outfit and led a tragic, tragic life. She also birthed the most beautiful man to ever walk on this earth. And she resembles Miss Coco Peru.

Very sad case. What an absolutely psycho pair of in-laws Dan experienced. I hope his ex wife is brought to justice. She is guilty as sin and a damn cunt.

R2 best news ever! I am so very happy the mother-in-law has been brought to justice. There is so much more to this case, ITA. I loved seeing that smug, narcissistic Charlie in handcuffs. I believe he thought he would smarter than the cops. Damn fools.

R107 was, not would ⬆️

Is there speculation that Wendi will be arrested after the holidays to allow the boys to have one last holiday with some of their family?

I just watched some of WA’s testimony. When asked if her family are millionaires, sue replied “no”. Aren’t they multi-millionaires?

I doubt it. The mother of Wendi was gearing up to flee to Vietnam. Who the fuck cares if Wendi has one more holiday season free, for a murder that happened almost 10 years ago. She's been free long enough, if indeed she was involved in the murder.

Nobody wants to give her extra time to enjoy holidays and FLEE.

What could Wendi possibly say to her two children? I hope there's some life line to therapy for those kids.

What about the children!!!

How damaged are those children? Having the Adelson blood & upbringing, along with dealing with the brutal murder of their dad.

You can bet they are watching Wendi like HAWKS. Including a phone tap. She's the big prize in this case.

Wendi was the strongest link, not the weakest one.

Gangsta Granny has made it seven days in the hoosegow. That's six more than I had imagined her willing to do. I figured she would have found a way to suicide by now.

Has Donna been transported to Leon County?

^ Calling Jack Ruby, Calling Jack Ruby.

She's still in Miami-Dade at this point. Wearing that "suicide vest." Charlie's sentencing is set for December 12, after which his permanent home will be Leon County as well. No trial date set as yet for Granny -

Ironic that they will both end up in Tallahassee! Not like Princess Wendi has any plans to visit....

Granny was foolish in booking one-way tickets. Round trip tickets would have at least given the pretense that she and her husband were planning to return.

She may as well called the cops for a ride to the airport.

Let’s arrange a one-way ticket to Tallahassee for Wendi.

What is Wendi up to? Is she employed? Where is she living? Is she close to her dad? He’s rarely ever discussed.

Is there any chance the family used burner phones during the orchestration of the murder?

r123 No one here knows. Please share once you find out.

An overlooked DL worthy character from this mess - Charlie's on and off girlfriend, June Umchinda. She showed up to court with a giant coach shopping bag and couldn't stop flashing her veneers in a huge smile like she was auditioning for a TV show. She seems to be an ex-Hooters girl.

r125 and she offered nothing of real value - she was just so glad to be on TV

June makes Katie look like a Rhodes scholar.

I think Wendi is working at Vault Health as legal counsel, or she was last I heard.

Can you imagine having a presumed co-conspirator on your legal staff?

This analyst doesn't think Wendi will be charged anytime soon because the prosecution would have an uphill battle to gain a conviction.

In one of those pre-trial hearings of the brother, it was made fairly clear about Wendy's (somewhat) immunity for providing information, etc.

Maybe Big Mama Donna Adelson, who's now locked up, will spill the beans on Wendy.

The detail that seems to get overlooked Re Wendi’s behaviors is that when the police officer informed her that Dan had been shot and would not survive, she didn’t ask about her boys’ safety/whereabouts. She would not have known the time of the shooting and if her boys had already been dropped off at school or not. Did she know they had made it to preschool when she was brought in for questioning?

And again, why would one of her first responses to cops be that she worried someone killed Dan “for her”? Was she still trying to frame Jeffrey?

Is it likely that there will be a civil suit? The Markels are older and live across the country. Even if they won a settlement, I imagine they’d never see a penny of it. The Adelsons have been moving money around, setting up trusts, and spending large amounts on lawyer fees. There may be little money left. Charlie hired expensive NY attorneys, right?

[quote] Charlie hired expensive NY attorneys, right?

Surprisingly, his attorney did not appear to be a high-powered one.

Fuck. Donna Adelson is the cuntiest cunt that ever cunted and the cunts that fell from her cunt are just as cunty*.

Enough to make your blood boil about total and complete strangers.

Hope Dan Markel's kids aren't fucked. I hope the kids at school tell them all the time what a cunt their mother is.

"Hope Dan Markel's kids aren't fucked. I hope the kids at school tell them all the time what a cunt their mother is."

Well, which is it? Those 2 "hopes" would seem to counteract each other, r135.

Donna is winding her way to the Leon County jail today. Tallahassee is her idea of hell on earth. Welcome to parasites, Grandma!

And Donna never appeared in court, right? Except for that short booking video the other day? I wonder why she was never present during Charlie's trial?

Donna’s Leon County Jail glam shot.

She’s scheduled to appear in court this morning.

[quote] I wonder why she was never present during Charlie's trial?

In Tallahassee?!

I wonder if Sigfredo has ever had someone to properly love him?

If she was willing to relocate to Vietnam permanently, surely she could have splurged for flights and accommodations in Tallahassee to be supportive of the son whose life she ruined, no? The Markles, the parents of the other man whose life she ruined, were able to make it all the way from Toronto for the trial.

None of this makes any sense. Giant stupid assholes. All of them.

Donna wasn’t going anywhere near Tallahassee R142. Once Charlie was arrested, she knew her goose was cooked. She was only sticking around on the oft chance Charlie was found not guilty.

Once his verdict came down, it was “feets, don’t fail me now”.

R127 she's creative. she even invented a new word "speriodically"

This is the channel that posts various wiretaps that you won't see in the trial but expose how trashy and slimy the Adelsons and crew are.

The wretched ex wife's police testimony is analyzed

A few comments from a Tallahassee person. Tallahassee and Leon County are literal paradise compared to Leon County Jail. Not proud of it, but I spent the night there on a DUI 35 years ago. Once sentenced, Carlie will not stay in Leon County as there are no State Prisons there, just a road camp which is not his destiny. He will likely be in some much worse rural area but where it is doesn’t matter. No Florida State Prison is Club Fed. They are pretty awful.

What is Sigfredo's jail like?

r149 Write to him and ask

Lots of cute/players in this terrible tale.

Charlie was sorta cute when he was shaggy — cleaning up really turned him into the killer into a schlub.

Anyone know anything about the adorable local ABC correspondent?

R151 again…20/20 is really feeding us sexy local reporters.

Court TV had an interview with a former inmate who had done his time at Leon County. He said that there is only one prison in all of Florida that has air conditioning, and Leon County isn't one. Also said that most inmates will be aware that Charlie is fairly high profile and that he comes from a wealthy family, so he can expect that inmates will come up to him and give him a list of canteen items they expect him to buy for them - or else. Absolutely no privacy at any time. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

This article never mentions any calls between Wendi and Charlie or Wendi and Donna. Are they still speaking? You’d think she’d call her brother in prison or vice versa. Maybe she was on her mom’s phone.

How does someone in prison get that much phone time

R157 IIRC, some jails and prisons basically allow family members or friends of inmates to buy phone minutes that are added to an inmate's account. If there aren't any limits in Florida, I guess it would possible that Donna and Harvey spent a lot on providing Charlie with additional phone minutes.

The article explains that since the pandemic, the prison has reassessed phone/calling privileges. Each inmate is provided with a tablet and can use it pretty much any time they want except during lock downs. Yes, there are fees, but the Adelsons have plenty of money so that’s not an issue for Charlie (and now Donna).

All calls are recorded and monitored except for calls between inmate and attorneys.

When will the young wife, Wendy, be indicted?

I’m watching and waiting, [R160]. Harvey too. There’s a great YouTube video out there that provides evidence that he knew about the murder plot. Do we think he will be arrested too?

Why are prosecutors waiting to arrest the family members? Why not prosecute them all at once? I don’t understand their tactic. Why didn’t they arrest Donna when they arrested Charlie? They’ve sat on the evidence the entire time Charlie was in jail and on trial.

A few days I listened to the first season of the Over My Dead Body podcast which covered this case. It seemed that the prosecutor Georgia Cappleman waited for law enforcement to gather more quite a bit of evidence on Charlie. In the wiretaps on Charlie's phone, he was advising people to contact him on landlines or WhatsApp in order to keep law enforcement from hiring certain things. It seemed like he was somehow trying to protect Donna.

In Georgia Cappleman I trust.

[R163], I just googled GC and see she graduated from and teaches at FSU. Did she know DM? Did she know Wendi prior to the trial? I hadn’t thought about them all knowing each other.

It is taking a long time but, as these cases are based on a lot of cumulative circumstantial evidence, the prosecution needs all they can get. There is only one chance to convict. Playing the domino game, maybe they get more evidence, like Donna and Harvey trying to flee. Also, someone may flip under long pressure.

I've been following the Devon Hoover case. He was the surgeon who was killed in his home in Detroit. There's Facebook group called Justice for Dr. Hoover. A lot of people in that group constantly bitch about how supposedly the Wayne County prosecutor's office is making things difficult or causing delays in arrests. Whenever someone tries to suggest that the prosecutors may need more than circumstantial evidence to secure a conviction, the anti-Wayne County DA crowd accuses that person of either working for the DA's office or Detroit Police.

When I have visited the Justice for Dan Facebook page, it's a different story than the Devon Hoover Facebook group. The page is run by one of his Dan's friends and a good amount of people commenting are lawyers, law professors, or have other jobs in the legal world. They seem to be more patient and don't trash Georgia Cappleman or other prosecutors involved or law enforcement even though it took years for the trials to happen.

[quote] He was a goofy looking Jewish periodontist who drove a Ferrari with a license plate that read MAESTRO.

He wasn't bad looking when his hair was tamed down. These days he looks very goofy looking. If Joe Keery was a bit older, he would be perfect to play Charlie in whatever miniseries is made about this case.

The older, estranged brother is kind of hot.

I swear L&O Criminal Intent had a case like this, with an overbearing mother shooting her daughter in law. They may pick this up in the new CI for Canada.

I wish there was a way to insert myself into this topic. I'm always excluded.

This is an old video, but it lays out all of the players.

Mike, the host of That Chapter doesn't always have the most astute take on people's personalities. I think Dan Markel was probably irritating, full of himself, and a talkaholic. No reason to kill him, but Mike kept saying what a great guy he was, everyone loved him.

Anyway, Katie Magbanua, the dentist's girlfriend and hitman go-between (and also baby mother to Sigfredo Garcia), actually got paid $100,000. That's a lot!

Mama to dentist and Wendi paid one of these hitmen using a check. How stupid was she? The hitmen got less money than Magbanua.

[quote] Katherine Magbanua is seeking penpals. Does have access to e-mail.

She's probably accessing emails through the Jpay kiosks or a Jpay tablet. She's probably hoping for people to befriend her so they can pad out her prison commissary account.

r171 almost every true crime channel does this - they spend a good 2-3 minutes usually talking about how the victim was a wonderful and bright person, how their smile lit up a room, a loving friend, etc. I don't like it - it's extremely boring and I don't think it should matter. Dan Markel might be a jerk but it doesn't mean that he deserved to be killed. Niceness doesn't always equal goodness either. Someone can be mean and still care to do the right thing most of the time, or have some sense of civic responsibility.

R68, that defense attorney is so handsome. Attorneys tend to be fugly.

There was video footage gathered of the Prius that was used by the hit men. Is there footage of Wendi driving to the crime scene?

There's nothing skeevy about Professor Jeffrey Lecasse. He was a credible star witness. See the comments of people following this case about him.

[quote] I think Dan Markel was probably irritating, full of himself, and a talkaholic. No reason to kill him, but Mike kept saying what a great guy he was, everyone loved him.

[quote] almost every true crime channel does this - they spend a good 2-3 minutes usually talking about how the victim was a wonderful and bright person, how their smile lit up a room, a loving friend, etc. I don't like it - it's extremely boring and I don't think it should matter. Dan Markel might be a jerk but it doesn't mean that he deserved to be killed. Niceness doesn't always equal goodness either. Someone can be mean and still care to do the right thing most of the time, or have some sense of civic responsibility.

I think Dan was probably condescending and arrogant, but he managed to have loyal friends. It's been mentioned in the shows that have covered the case, some articles, and the Over My Dead Body podcast that Dan's legal blog did piss people off and he had online and in-person spats. In the podcast, a female friend of Dan's said that some people did view Dan as condescending. The friend defended Dan and said something along the lines that Dan wasn't condescending and that he just liked explaining in views/arguments in full detail. He didn't deserve to be murdered.

I don't think Dan was as well loved by people in the academia or legal communities as his friends have made him out to be. I have noticed this in other cases when true crime shows or podcasts cover the case. It will be sometimes be mentioned that the victim had professional or personal disagreements with others, but the show or people interviewed for a show will sort of whitewash things about the victim. I thought the Travis Alexander case was a good example. He didn't deserve to be killed by the loony Jodi Arias. It was irritating as fuck how some of Alexander's friends and relatives tried to paint him as some nice guy Mormon, when he was pretty douchy and was involved with a sketchy MLM company.

There was a murder case in the early 2000s in Pennsylvania in which a woman Randi Trimble was killed by her husband's friend. The husband Brian had his friend and co-worker Blaine Norris kill Randi so he could collect on life insurance policies. When true crime shows like Dateline and later ID's American Monster covered the case, it was mentioned in both shows that Randi was controlling with finances and disliked the fact that Brian wanted to invest money or get involved in Blaine's indie horror movie project. Randi's mother had been involved with the Dateline episode in the mid 2000s which did feature an interview with a co-worker of Brian's who said that it was known Brian had to pretty much ask permission for things like taking money out to go to lunch with friends or co-workers.

Years later, when American Monster covered the case, Randi's mother was pissed at ID and the production company for covering it. The Dateline episode only featured Randi's mom Nancy and nobody else from Randi's circle was in the episode. The American Monster episode touched on Randi controlling money and mentioned that Brian told co-workers that he wanted to divorce Randi. Randi didn't deserve to be murdered and her husband Brian seemed like a guy who would been better off being a bachelor or married to a woman with similar hobbies or views.The articles on the case always reference/feature Randi's mother and nobody else from her circles. I got the vibe that any friends Randi had weren't loyal enough to defend her in the media or they disliked certain things about her personality. Some murder victims were probably just as flawed as the perps.

The whitewash is what happened to Travis Alexander, murdered by Jodi Arias. Travis was in multi-level marketing, a Mormon fucking around with Jodi, using her as a fuck toy. Yes, she was a sociopath, and no he didn’t deserve to get murdered.

I followed a couple of true crime message boards around the time of the Jodi Arias trial. There was one forum where many people didn't like Travis all that much, but they agreed he didn't deserve to be killed. The MLM that Travis was involved with used to be known as Pre-Paid Legal and it's now known as LegalShield. One of the message boards, there was a poster who lived in Oklahoma and worked at a hotel where PrePaidLegal/LegalShield held conferences. The poster described the people in that MLM has being a bit cultish and that whenever hotel employees would go into the conference rooms, the MLM group would stop talking and would stay quiet.

I also recall it was revealed that Travis was close to losing his house to foreclosure around the time of the murder and had rooms rented out in the house. A few posters one of the forums said it was common for MLM reps to pretend that they were making good money and were on the up and up, but in reality they are/were having financial problems, but were doing a "fake it until you make it" act. I think that was the issue Chris and Shanann Watts. Shanann wasn't making much money off that stupid "supplement" MLM Thrive and I recall they were behind HOA payments and other financial issues. Shanann and her daughters didn't deserve to be murdered. Shanann sure as hell didn't come off as likable in a good amount of her social media videos and there have been tons of anti-Thrive posts on various on social media sites about the products are shitty and don't help. With Dan Markel, he probably had an ego as a law professor. But, he wasn't hawking scammy "legal plans" or crap products.

For those wondering why DL should care, Dan’s girlfriend at the time of his death was Amy Adler, sister of Jonathan.

R178 I wonder if this is a particularly American attitude, that jerks don't make worthy victims. We love cookie cutter romantic narratives.

[quote] For those wondering why DL should care, Dan’s girlfriend at the time of his death was Amy Adler, sister of Jonathan.

Who is Jonathan?

Has it been theorized that the reason Wendi drove to the crime scene was because the original plan was for Wendi to be the first person at the crime scene to discover Dan’s body and call 911? Her plan was foiled when the neighbors called 911 and the cops made it to the scene before she did so she turned around and left.

How did the police find Wendi so quickly at the restaurant she was dining at with a friend? Did they call her to learn of her location? Has her lunch date been identified? Interviewed?

r184 i think she was impatient and needed to see for herself that it happened. i think she would have been crushed not to enjoy some of the scene, because she hated dan that much.

When the cops interviewed Wendi, it seemed like they suspected her right away.

The cop asked Wendi: Is there anyone who would want to hurt Dan? Wendi said that her brother, the dentist, had given her a TV (as a gift) and said to Wendi: "I couldn't afford a hit man, so here's a TV." I thought: WTF? She tips off the cops during her first interview.

Wendi was trying to demonstrate to the cops that her brother was incapable of hurting Dan and could only joke about it. But she really spilled the beans right away.

Somebody payed Wendi for legal representation? She's neither quick or snail-like on her feet. Jesus, what a dolt. The whole family. Not Jewish enough!!! Too Jewish!!! Let's decimate our family over it! (Cue Benny Hill music as the cast kills and cavorts.)

[quote] I wonder if this is a particularly American attitude, that jerks don't make worthy victims. We love cookie cutter romantic narratives.

I think it's an American attitude. My job was moved to remote status after covid hit. When I'm not in video meetings, I'll sometimes have true crime shows like Dateline, 20/20, true crime shows on Oxygen, ID, and A&E etc on to while I work. After a while, it becomes a bit funny because some of the shows use too many cliches in describing victims. The cable network shows don't always romanticize the victims.

Yeah, Dan must’ve really been a shit, because we never hear about his smile lighting up a room.

Donna's lawyer filed a motion for an emergency release to home arrest for Donna. Lawyer is saying Donna is being subjected to inhumane conditions at Leon County jail.

Inhumane is being gunned down in your garage at the behest of your children's mother and her family.

[quote] Lawyer is saying Donna is being subjected to inhumane conditions at Leon County jail.

R190 No doubt, the tip of the iceberg for what Donna considers "inhumane conditions" is the jail's location in Leon County. Bitch HATES Tallahassee.

This lawyer is concerned that the sons may now be in harm's way.

It amuses me to no end that an aged Jewish American Princess thought she could start a new, albeit cushy new life in Vietnam. *That*would have been an incredible docuseries about an entitled Ugly American going totally whole hog against the workers she "hired" in a foreign place.

There's a subreddit on this case. A few days after Donna was arrested someone on there asked how Donna's life would be if she made it to Vietnam. A couple of people who lived or spent a good amount of time said that healthcare in Vietnam sucks.

Sigfredo...I waiting for you to jizz all over me. You have such beautiful eyes...

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

i actually tend to be sympathetic when rich and privileged inmates complain about the conditions, it's generally the only time that a competent attorney gets to take a swing at what i think is a major issue in the united states. people pay a lot of lipservice to the barbarism of american jails and prisons and supporting criminal justice reform but they don't really believe in it - it seems to me the average person thinks we should just torture people before they even go to trial.

Mom has a hearing this Monday where she will ask for bail, which will be denied. Among her claims is that she was forced to sit in her cell NAKED for days!

Charlie will be sentenced on Tuesday. Can you say, "life without possibility of parole?"

^ the death penalty would be better

I think the Adelsons were paying for Magbanua’s attorneys. Hence, she rejected immunity. Still, it’s pretty simple to understand immunity. She could’ve said fuck these attorneys, give me a public defender and I’ll take immunity. She was in jail the whole time, so it wasn’t like she was enjoying herself while making this dumb decision.

Her attorneys made a deal with the devil. Any other attorney would’ve told her: this is a no-brainer; accept immunity and testify.

Donna's arraignment and she looks crazy as fuck.

r203 What was the outcome?

Donna entered a not guilty plea. The request to be moved out of solitary confinement was denied. She made some kind of comment when someone (I think it was the jail official) was speaking in court and the judge scolded her. The jail official said the decision was to keep in Donna in solitary confinement was due to the suicide comments in the jail calls with Charlie and that during booking at Leon County, she made a comment about wanting to die.

Charlie’s sentencing is being broadcast now on Court TV. He’s expected to give a statement.

“I’d just to say that I maintain my innocence.”

That’s all he said, folks.

Life, no parole, per the Tallahasse Democrat.

30 years each on the second and third convictions to be served consecutively, too.

Wendi is next, I hope. She reminds me of Elizabeth Holmes, her eyes look like a psychopath's.

I think Charlie just might flip on Wendi.

r212 Why would he at this point - it would give him nothing - he's already sentenced.

I still say the plan was for Wendi to find Dan shot in his garage and to call 911. That’s why she was dressed the way she was, to appear like an everyday mom and victim. If she’d planned on meeting friends for lunch, why wouldn’t she have dressed up more? I’d like to ask Jeff Lacosse if Wendi’s shorts and owl shirt were typical attire for Wendi - and her unkempt hair too.

It makes more sense for her to discover Dan’s body and call 911 than to wait for who knows how long for his body to be found. It could have been hours or days before anyone else found Dan if it weren’t for his neighbors hearing the gunshot and seeing the perps flee the scene. Her finding the body would control the timeline and allow her to be interrogated and released in time to pick up her boys from daycare.

Snippets of Charlie's snippets calls with Donna have been released. I hope more jailhouse/clips get released.

More from the jailhouse calls between Charlie and Donna. Charlie thought he was going to be acquitted and gave away food and clothes to other inmates. He also trashes the jury and says that three of them looked inbred.

He should talk about inbred. He's a dentist, yet the top part of his mouth looks like he has no teeth (and isn't wearing his false teeth).

It's not uncommon with some upper middle class or wealthy people to have delusional attitudes about their looks and they usually will talk shit about other people's looks.

[quote] Guess who gets to play Charlie's attorney in the movie

Nathan Fielder with a beard.

The point of offing the ex brother in law and the ex son in law was to keep the kids near. So why is grandma planning to escape to China

It was a one way ticket to VIETNAM, with a stop in Dubai. Court Tv commentators speculate she may have wanted to stay in Dubai. Either way her plan was foiled!

I wonder if Sigfredo keeps a diary in prison? About all the hot men he sees.

Wendy is throwing the whole family under the bus, now that they murdered for her.

I don't understand how people believe they can get away with murder nowadays.

All of this just because some narcissistic, sociopathic grandma wanted to stick it to her former son in law.

I'm positive these assholes voted for Trump.

Even notwithstanding the murder, the Adelsons were just awful people: threatening to convert the boys to Catholicism, changing their last name to Adelson after the murder, offering a million dollars for him to give up custody (or move to Miami, I forget) …it was their way or the highway and they just bullied and manipulated everyone around them, especially Dan.

And when that didn’t work, they killed him. And yes, they thought they could get away with it even with rental car records, toll road cameras, security cameras, phone records, etc. Pride goeth before a fall, I suppose.

For a lawyer, Dan was cute.

What's the latest? When is the old lady's trial? What's Wendy up to?

R224 This youtube channel posted a video of Wendi speaking at some kind of pro immigration/pro DACA event in 2018. Phony baloney Wendi says her parents are Democrats.

Articles have noted that Wendi was heavily involved in immigration law activities at FSU. She probably loved to paint the picture of a "kind white female attorney" trying to help immigrant kids.

[quote] What's the latest? When is the old lady's trial? What's Wendy up to?

Charlie's attorneys have filed notice of appeal. Nothing new on Donna and Wendi.

The Murder by Maestro youtube channel also posted this video of phoney baloney Wendi speaking about human trafficking and exploitation at Palm Beach College in 2015.

Donna Adelson has a status hearing on January 9th. At her last hearing in December, she entered a not guilty plea and her attorneys asked for a speedy trial. The judge initially offered a March date, but her attorneys whittled it down to January 9th.

There are numerous recorded phone calls between her and Charlie, mostly complaining about how the dumb Tallahassee hillbillies were stupid enough to convict him. It must be killing her to even breathe Tallahassee air.

Meanwhile, Miss Doe Eyed Princess has gone on blithely with her life in Miami. When Donna placed a call to her, she told her mother that she could not speak to her on the advice of her attorneys.

[QUOTE]There are numerous recorded phone calls between her and Charlie, mostly complaining about how the dumb Tallahassee hillbillies were stupid

Such exquisite irony.

No way Mama Kingpin’s attorneys are ready for trial on January 9!

She’s probably bitching about being in a Tallahassee jail, so they have to act like they’re wanting trial right away. (So that she will be vindicated, set free, and can return to Miami!)

It's just a status hearing - that is when the lawyers discuss the status of the case, and is sometimes when a plea deal will be offered to a defendant in order to avoid trial.

Which of course will not happen in this case. Although it would be interesting if Donna decided to flip on Wendi for some type of deal.

I keep reading that the reason they haven’t arrested Wendi is because they want her to testify in Donna’s trial. Couldn’t she still testify if she were arrested today? Why wait? Their case against Wendi would continue to build while she waits for her trial in jail. Surely they have sufficient evidence to arrest her by now.

I've been watching excerpts of this trial in complete amazement, while thinking to myself, "How did these idiots (Donna & Charlie-primarily) believe they'd actually get away with this?', and then I had to harken back to the time I was exposed to a true blue, narcissistic family member.

People like this think up schemes that a normal human being would not even fathom. This is what they are: schemers. They are so delusional, they genuinely believe that they will get away with the most illegal, deceptive & outrageous of behaviors. What's tragic, is that sometimes, they do.

I believe that Wendy was in on it, but will avoid justice due to technicalities. .

Evidence points to Wendi driving to the crime scene as part of the plan. She was supposed to be the one to find Dan shot. Here’s why:

We know Dan texted her that morning to let her know he was going to the gym and would be free in 75 minutes. He had asked her to take a walk to discuss the boy’s school placement. He was leaving for NYC the next day and we know Wendi had lunch and evening plans so the only time she’d have available to walk and talk with Dan would be that window before her lunch date/the window of time she drove to the crime scene. Of course, she knew there would be no walk/talk, that she would instead be discovering his body.

When his body had already been discovered she had to quickly amend her plan this going to buy liquor and actually attending the lunch date that she wasn’t otherwise dressed for.

Theory 2:

In her police interview, she slips and says to her mother that Dan was killed in his house (she had not been told where the attack had taken place). Maybe the plan was that he would be killed in his home and not his driveway/car. Wendi would drive to his house for that talk. Dan wouldn’t answer or open the door so Wendi would leave and move on with her day while Dan’s body lay undiscovered for several days.

When hiring a hit man, I’d presume there would be instruction regarding details on when, where and how the hit should go down. Did the Adelson want Dan shot in his driveway or had they planned on the killers shooting Dan inside his home. The latter makes more sense. No witnesses. Gun shot would be muffled. Body would not be found immediately. What did Charlie tell Katy to tell the hitmen? Katy has the answers.

I forgot to include that there would be no reason for Dan to text Wendi he was going to the gym unless they were making plans. They were divorced and despised each other. He wouldn’t be sending her text updates about his day unless she needed to know for the purpose of coordinating their schedules.

Good work, R238-9. I always thought Wendi's driving anywhere near the crime scene was reckless.

[quote] What did Charlie tell Katy to tell the hitmen? Katy has the answers.

Katie said in one of trials and I think in one of the jail videos that Charlie gave her envelope to give to Sigfredo and that he didn't want to her open or read the contents of what was in the envelope.

Donna’s case management hearing scheduled for today, has been postponed due to weather related concerns.

Donna’s arrest will be the subject of the next Dateline episode, a week from tonight.

Some bodycam footage of Donna's arrest has been released.

Watching Donna's arrest brings to mind Nixon's farewell speech to his staff as he departed the White House. "Always remember, others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself."

Love to see it, but I'll only be fully satisfied when I see Wendy getting the same treatment.

Harvey: "Can I go home?"

Yeah - you won't be needing that one way ticket!

lol at Harvey saying "please don't do this" to the cops.

The case is on Dateline now.

Dan’s mother thinks Donna was the architect.

I also think Donna was the architect. The emails showed she is a fucking loon who came up with ideas about dressing the boys up as Nazis or converting them to Catholicism. She also had the idea of them paying Dan a million dollars if he would let Wendi and the boys move to Miami.

In transcripts from a podcast that Dan's friend David Lat hosts, he interviewed a guy who wrote a book on the case. The author Steven Epstein pointed out that Dan never became an American citizen. I wonder if the Adelsons ever considered trying to come up with some kind of scheme to get Dan deported.

If Kate McKinnon didn't act like such a fucking ham, she would be ideal to play Georgia Cappleman in a miniseries or movie.

I’d love to see Georgia prosecute Trump.

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